Curse

Pandora96 · Oct 23, 2006, 02:23 AM // 02:23

Ok, as far as I know, there is no way to protect against enchant removers. And with Dervish comming out being pretty much dependent on enchants, it seems that everyone will be carrying some kind of anti-enchant(even more so than now) making Dervish useless. Not to mention the already enchant loving Elementalists. So I'm purposing some kind of enchant protector. There are hex preventers, spell breakers, and attack wards, why not enchant protection? Now to prevent OPness(since I know there are already mesmers bitching) make it so while you have this spell on, you can only have two other enchants or something. This would also ward against furture abing 55's.

-.- · Oct 23, 2006, 05:15 AM // 05:15

Because everything should have a counter.

Dr Strangelove · Oct 23, 2006, 05:20 AM // 05:20

Wouldn't this be called a cover enchantment? If I'm running enchant heavy, my ele never leaves home without aura of restoration to buffer enchant stripping.

Pandora96 · Oct 23, 2006, 12:51 PM // 12:51

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Originally Posted by -.-

Because everything should have a counter.

I dont think SpellBreaker can be removed =/ And you could always put something in the spell to get rid of it or something.

Pandora96 · Oct 23, 2006, 12:52 PM // 12:52

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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove

Wouldn't this be called a cover enchantment? If I'm running enchant heavy, my ele never leaves home without aura of restoration to buffer enchant stripping.

What about Defile Enchantments? Or Rend Enchantments?

Emik · Oct 23, 2006, 01:56 PM // 13:56

Protective spirit cancels out the extra damage dealt by Desecrate Enchants.
Rend Enchants has a high recoil regarding damage taken.
The reason why this sort of spells aren't in the game is becoz they would be imba. Want your enchats to stay on?
Spellbreaker, Obsidian Flesh, Shadow Form and Mist Form can over that easily enuff.

lyra_song · Oct 23, 2006, 02:35 PM // 14:35

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Originally Posted by Pandora96

I dont think SpellBreaker can be removed =/ And you could always put something in the spell to get rid of it or something.

chillblains

as for dervishes.....they GAIN from losing enchantments. their enchantments effects trigger on ending/removal.

signet of piety anyone?

Scutilla · Oct 23, 2006, 02:39 PM // 14:39

In a way, enchant stripping is a counter itself, to enchantments. So we want a counter to the counter... will we need a counter for the counter to the counter, then?

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Originally Posted by Pandora96

No opinions?

Calm down and give people more than three hours to post

(Off-topic, why is there an advertisement in the OP? Is that something he put there, or is it something GWG's doing?)

Kais Unduli · Oct 23, 2006, 03:46 PM // 15:46

If we're going to have irremovable enchantments, then there should be some kind of penalty attached, like -30 armor versus physical damage while under effect, or health degen, something like that. Otherwise, it would be horribly imbalanced.

Clawdius_Talonious · Oct 23, 2006, 03:58 PM // 15:58

I've wanted an enchant that offered some sort of drawback to stripping it in the past, I could see an enchant that (for example) stole health from the enemy removing it when it was removed... But perhaps this is asking too much, as it is I usually manage to keep all my enchants up as my monk, and although I find enchant stripping annoying I think that it would be difficult to find the right combination of cost/recharge to damage to make this a balanced skill.

Nevertheless, some skill like this -could- be useful.

Mesmer skill:

Regret, Illusion magic, 15 -1, 1, 30
While you maintain this enchantment it has no effect, if this enchantment is removed the foe that removed it loses 60...120 health and the target of this enchantment gains half that amount.

But perhaps this would be too powerful a cover enchantment for Illusionary Weaponry/Illusion of Weakness... If this spell was made costly enough, and required upkeep (thereby making timing of application crucial, you wouldn't want to just leave it on teammates most of the time, especially if you weren't facing enchant removal) then I could see it being a balanced addition to the game in future chapters. If nothing else you could potentially make this a "target other ally" spell and that might make it more balanced...

You would have to have the spell cost enough and not offer too much of a gain, it's a precarious situation and therefore not the easiest skill to balance... In the end most people would opt for a cheaper cover enchant I think...

floppinghog · Oct 23, 2006, 04:18 PM // 16:18

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Originally Posted by Emik

Protective spirit cancels out the extra damage dealt by Desecrate Enchants.
Rend Enchants has a high recoil regarding damage taken.
The reason why this sort of spells aren't in the game is becoz they would be imba. Want your enchats to stay on?
Spellbreaker, Obsidian Flesh, Shadow Form and Mist Form can over that easily enuff.

just like to point out, mist form only prevents physically attacking dmg's, and things like sever artery still "hits" and causes bleeding but you dont take the attack on hit damage you normally would.

and all spells work against you no problem.

LifeInfusion · Oct 23, 2006, 05:00 PM // 17:00

cover enchants.

And if enchants couldn't be removed, then we got a real problem with 55ers/spiritbonders...possibly in PVP if there is no lifesteal..

Pandora96 · Oct 24, 2006, 12:06 AM // 00:06

Rend Enchantments only hurts the user if he removes monk enchants. Since when are Dervish and Elementalists monk enchants?

All those mentioned anti-spells are elites.

Dervish only gain energy. Hit with Defile Enchantments...energy wont help much if you're dead, mate.

Like I said before, something to prevent PvP 55's would be to put a limit to how many enchants you can have while the enchant protect is on.

I don't know how you could tell how "calm" I am by two words. Ever hear of an Exclamation mark? And the thread, at the time had eleven views.

Pandora96 · Oct 24, 2006, 12:08 AM // 00:08

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Originally Posted by -.-

Because everything should have a counter.

Oh yeah, have you heard of a weapon spell or item spell before?

Vahn Roi · Oct 24, 2006, 02:23 AM // 02:23

They're called Cover Enchantments.

Kha · Oct 24, 2006, 03:04 AM // 03:04

Is this thread... serious? Things are fine the way they are. Dervishes won't be useless because of enchantment removal. Have you even read their skill descriptions? Complain about stuff that actually is worth complaining about.

gameshoes3003 · Oct 24, 2006, 03:09 AM // 03:09

I think the game is fair as it is. And in PvP removal of enchantments isnt'a big problem since they are horrible energy eaters or have a backward effect on them. In PvE, if you could easily protect your enchantments it wouldnt' be much of a challange then.

-.- · Oct 24, 2006, 03:12 AM // 03:12

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Originally Posted by Pandora96

Oh yeah, have you heard of a weapon spell or item spell before?

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Originally Posted by me

Because everything should have a counter.

Keyword highlighted for you.

HawkofStorms · Oct 24, 2006, 03:14 AM // 03:14

Also, most enchantment removals have like, 25 second recharge times. Unless a mesmer is doing NOTHING but enchant removing (which, what mesmer in their right mind would do that?), The dervish should still be a threat. Enchantment removal only really hurts long recharge enchants like Attunements or Mark of Protection.

Age · Oct 24, 2006, 03:40 AM // 03:40

Holy Viel would be your cover enchant.